midibit:

i like the idea of the OWCA just being a bunch of undercover therapy animals

midibit:

i like the idea of the OWCA just being a bunch of undercover therapy animals

basically-fuckoff:

thatsmugbastard:

Why settle with cute if you can have sickeningly adorable?

(wideshot)

i just have to say that these are two different types of seatbelt buckles and it’s bothering me so bad

They sure are! The thing is that I’ve never seen buckles like the one on the screencap in real life and I didn’t want to just blatantly copy it, so I changed it to something I’m more familiar with. I figured that since I’ve changed Heinz’ (Heinz’s?) and Perry’s position already it won’t be such a big deal. I was wrong, apparently.

Why settle with cute if you can have sickeningly adorable?

(wideshot)

shwoo:

Hey. How about for people who don’t want a group and just want somewhere to put their Phineas and Ferb fandom stuff that isn’t flooded with weheartit — I know I’m not the only one — How about just pnfans? I don’t want a schism, I just want somewhere safe with no group politics. Just an aggregate of fandom stuff.

Pnfans, huh? That’s actually a pretty great idea. I hoped that pnfamily tag could be salvaged, but it doesn’t seem that way anymore. Doofenites seems like more of a community tag so far. It should be easier to figure out its name for newcomers looking for PnF stuff too. Do you think commentaries could go into pnfans tag as well?

frozentreasure:

thatsmugbastard:

frozentreasure:

shwoo:

legs-are-just-for-show:

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I share this sentimet (well, maybe except dismissing someone because of their age). However I must ask one question - why, once again, Kyle’s personal problems and opinions (from my understanding he only posted them on his personal blog) are mixed with pnfamily matters? I really don’t see how it’s a pnfamily’s issue that Kyle acted like an insensitive prick.

I’m not surprised by what has happened, though - being self-proclaimed leader is a responsibility, not a privilege. This means that members would obey his “suggestions” (I’m putting suggestions in quotations because last time I questioned his words - it was the whole “no ships in tags” thing - I was in turn attacked by his followers), but it also meant all the attention he received would backlash horribly should he make one false step. That being said, I still think he is important member of pnfamily, he organized many of the activities in the tag and he reached out to many new pnfamily members. I hope he’s fine.

However I am against the idea of a leader for pnfamily. This fandom, like any other fandom, is very diverse and each and every one of us appreciates the show in their own unique way, some like ship, others don’t, some have certain headcanons, some have different ones. The “rules” took a lot of fun and ability to express the reason you enjoy the show with others.

As for some rules I really would like to see more personal stories unrelated to PnF in the tag. I remember people posting about their worries and their accomplishments here. Then came “no personal posts” rule. Then “no ships in the tag”. I really enjoyed seeing excitement accompanying shipping posts, even though some of them weren’t up my alley. I think we should allow such posts (properly tagged, of course) and  just see how it goes. People have surprising amount of common sense, you know.

tl;dl We should trust fellow fans and let the fandom shape itself. Don’t try to create a bubblegum utopia where everyone gets along seamlessly. It’s not gonna happen, but we can at least keep it civil.

His personal opinions have become an issue with the group because a leader’s personal opinions invariably inform how they try to run something. A politician’s personal opinions inform how they intend to run their electorate or party, and the same is true here; people identified as non-binary genders, he said that those people did not exist. No one is interested in being a part of a group that is run almost dictatorially by a person who insists that they are just as nonfictional as a centaur.

Being a self-proclaimed leader is neither a privilege or a responsibility: it’s something that parents coo at when the seven year-old walks up to them and proudly tells them that they made a new secret club. It only works when you’re so young and you’re running something so insignificant that none of your actions have any effect on anything. In the real world, being a decent leader takes weeks of training, bare minimum, and I’m gonna say that a decent 95% of Tumblr users have never had even a day of training for it; and until they do, they have no business trying to take charge of a group of people.

Organising activities for people: yes, that’s important. Making new “members” feel welcome: that’s also important. Neither of these things translate to having to be in charge of anything. I control nothing that happens in the tag and I could just as easily say “Movie stream next Friday!” or “Art competition! Here’s the theme and the prizes.” All that is is showing a little initiative, and anyone can do that.

I don’t really get what you’re getting at here. I’ve never said organizing events and reaching out to people made Kyle a leader, but an important pnfamily member. You also both acknowledge him as a leader in first paragraph and dismiss him in the second one. So what are you trying to prove? That Kyle wasn’t a leader? Oh, but he was. Not mine, because I mostly ignored them entirely, but many members definitelly saw him as pnfamily leader. He had virtually no control over what’s posted on tag and what’s not and yet people listened. That’s what made him a leader, not a good leader, but still a leader. Then new members joined, saw people following him and assumed he must have had some authority. This is almost exactly like Doof’s scheme from The Beak - except it worked.

On his good days Kyle wasn’t a bad person and I tried to get along with him, but all these dramas that he always seem to indulge himself in that usually ended in him victimizing himself just threw me right off. Being emotionally unstable as he is, Kyle’s the last person in position to lead anyone - he made his personal affairs the matters of our community - and he was awarded with attention. Slowly, but surely pnfamily tag turned into “Kyle support group” (I mean that as mental support, not political one). He could come and suggest anything on a whim and people would more or less reluctantly follow - some because they agreed, some because they liked him, some because they walked on eggshells around him and some to avoid the confrontation. He could also single out a person he didn’t like in a pnfamily tag, which was a petty equivalent of public stoning a person, like the whole situation with Ashley. And that’s what I was getting at in my post, we let him mix his personal life with pnfamily issues and I was expressing my surprise that we still let his behavior upset us. By doing that we remain in his control, don’t you see? We, we ourselves put him in control and only we ourselves can take that control away, that’s what I’m saying. If we don’t want him as a leader we simply need to stop listening. It’s that easy. Yet new tag was created as to run away rather than standing up for ourselves. He was in the wrong, so why should WE leave? That just really bugs me. It’s not fair.

As for “being a self-proclaimed leader is not a responsibility” - you really think so? It becomes a responsibility as soon as people acknowledge you as an actual leader (being self-proclaimed leader means he saw himself as a leader, not that nobody else besides himself saw him as one). Members of pnfamily turned to him seeking advice regarding our community (that’s where some of the rules came from) and where are decisions and actions that influence someone besides you, there is also responsibility for them. But if you’re still saying it really doesn’t take a responsibility to be even a self-proclaimed, but still a leader, then you’re saying that he’s not responsible for hurting feelings of those of non-binary and non-binary supporting people who saw him as their leader and trusted his decisions in the past and he should not feel sorry for what he’s done.

This is where I’m going to end my arguments, because I feel that going further will only make me repeat myself. What I’m trying to say is that leadership is something that exist only in our heads when it comes to Internet communities, but it doesn’t make it any less real and valid than actual politics. Kyle was too possesive yet emotionally dependant leader that pnfamily didn’t need in the first place.

On a lighter note, I’ve been Corie’s Secret Santa this year. I hope it’s fine to share it, dear.

On a lighter note, I’ve been Corie’s Secret Santa this year. I hope it’s fine to share it, dear.

frozentreasure:

shwoo:

legs-are-just-for-show:

Yooo for everyone who missed it and is confused with the tag and the events and the doofenites split:

  • Kyle (phinflynn) made several posts disregarding nonbinary identities as nonexisting.
  • Tons of PnFamily members were offended and appalled by his posts (several of whom are nonbinary). The posts made them feel uncomfortable and not safe in the group anymore.
  • Kyle stated it was “just an opinion” which then was the last straw for several members (especially considering he helped run the group as a leader) and they broke off the form an alternative tag “doofenites”.

Kyle went offline too and we’re worried about how hes doing as of right now.

But also I think it’s time we went back and looked at how the PnFamily has been going recently though. There have been several problems with even just some rules and the tag.

  • Several members felt uncomfortable to post in said tag.
  • Several members were also against Kyle being the leader of the tag and group as well.
  • The no ships rule (most people were actually against when it was put in) has taken pretty much most of the activity out of the tag as well since ships and everything have been the most popular topic.

And well, I feel like we could try to revamp things honestly. So I’m asking we put in some input for how to fix the way things are going.

One idea from me is I don’t really think there can be one person just in charge of this group (has it been only one person though?). I mean, this is a huge group now (user count is in the hundreds now I think) and it’s incredibly diverse (people from Taiwan, Argentina, Germany, Sweden, the UK, Poland, and even weird places like Canada check out the pnfamily tag).

So rather than one leader (or a few leaders from a single group) we should probably put several members (maybe three or four or five) in place who help keep the PnFamily running smoothly so when problems arise or when a new person wishes to join we’d have more people out ready to help.

We need new group leaders from different friend groups within the pnfamily because it’s pretty split up into different groups as it is and if we could get more input from everyone the better.

If you have an idea or want to ask something or anything and want to keep it private it’s okay just send me an ask really.

Thoughts? Opinions? Other ideas? Help me out here I want to help as much as I can really?

Is this a friendship group or a fandom group? If it has open membership, it can’t be a friendship group. If it’s a fandom group, it doesn’t need huge amounts of moderating or leadership. Just outlining what is and isn’t acceptable. You can’t really stop someone from posting in a tag, so there’s not much else to do that requires special privileges, I think.

I want to say now that I always found the “family” thing a bit uncomfortable. I wanted to talk about Phineas and Ferb, and watch movie streams and things, but being told that you have to care deeply about people you don’t really know because they also want to talk about Phineas and Ferb is… uncomfortable. Especially in a group of >100 people. Friendships are better when they develop naturally, and trying to force it often leads to drama.

Another reason to de-emphasise leadership: I initially left because Kyle didn’t like me, and he was so influential that I didn’t feel safe or welcome there anymore. I don’t think a single person’s opinion should be so important in a group that size. People make mistakes, and people can be petty. It’s not fair to exclude people just based on one person’s whim. Lots of peoples’ whims, maybe.

Basically I just want there to be a fun place on tumblr where fans of Phineas and Ferb can share fandom stuff. Is that the kind of thing you’re proposing? Or did I misunderstand?

Even if I can’t come back, I hope you guys work out a better group for yourselves.

The weird fixation people seem to have with being the owners/leaders of fandoms because they did something innocuous like thinking of a Tumblr tag is utterly bizarre to me. These people aren’t God; hell, most of the people doing these kind of things are stupid teenagers, and we already know that stupid teenagers are the worst people to put in charge of anything, that’s why there aren’t any.

A similar sort of thing has happened to me in another fandom, and I think Shwoo’s point is worth extrapolating and applying to all fandoms. It’s a little different because the drama I encountered was to do with a local fan group, where having people in charge to organise events and such actually makes sense, but you don’t need leaders to corral an entire fandom. That’s not how that works. You don’t get to dictate who is a fan of what and who they’re allowed to interact with. There’s nothing about the fandom at-large that needs running; a fandom is supposed to be a self-sustaining entity. 

And, in my personal opinion, if you are calling your fan group/friendship group a “family” and taking the “family” aspect of it really seriously, then it sounds like you have some dependency issues that you need to talk to someone about. Putting your entire mental wellbeing in the hands of relative strangers is unhealthy.

I share this sentimet (well, maybe except dismissing someone because of their age). However I must ask one question - why, once again, Kyle’s personal problems and opinions (from my understanding he only posted them on his personal blog) are mixed with pnfamily matters? I really don’t see how it’s a pnfamily’s issue that Kyle acted like an insensitive prick.

I’m not surprised by what has happened, though - being self-proclaimed leader is a responsibility, not a privilege. This means that members would obey his “suggestions” (I’m putting suggestions in quotations because last time I questioned his words - it was the whole “no ships in tags” thing - I was in turn attacked by his followers), but it also meant all the attention he received would backlash horribly should he make one false step. That being said, I still think he is important member of pnfamily, he organized many of the activities in the tag and he reached out to many new pnfamily members. I hope he’s fine.

However I am against the idea of a leader for pnfamily. This fandom, like any other fandom, is very diverse and each and every one of us appreciates the show in their own unique way, some like ship, others don’t, some have certain headcanons, some have different ones. The “rules” took a lot of fun and ability to express the reason you enjoy the show with others.

As for some rules I really would like to see more personal stories unrelated to PnF in the tag. I remember people posting about their worries and their accomplishments here. Then came “no personal posts” rule. Then “no ships in the tag”. I really enjoyed seeing excitement accompanying shipping posts, even though some of them weren’t up my alley. I think we should allow such posts (properly tagged, of course) and  just see how it goes. People have surprising amount of common sense, you know.

tl;dl We should trust fellow fans and let the fandom shape itself. Don’t try to create a bubblegum utopia where everyone gets along seamlessly. It’s not gonna happen, but we can at least keep it civil.

jims-frosty-carnival:

Marks of a good agent: exploiting enemy’s weakness

twixremix:

OH WOAH HEY GUYS! I’m here to launch “Project: Pnfamily Secret Santa!” For anyone who doesn’t know the rules of secret santa-ing: it’s a fun holiday tradition in which a group of people are randomly assigned a person to whom they anonymously give and receive a gift. If you would like to take part in this, like this post and I will message you a list of questions which you should answer privately with the completed questions. I will then send that to your assigned person. 
Adding your name into the secret santa roster will end next Friday (November 8) and in the days following, I will send you an ask with your assigned person. THIS IS A SECRET PROJECT! DON’T TELL A SOUL WHO YOUR ASSIGNED PERSON IS! (I’m talking about you, Andrew and Ago, don’t tell each other who you got okay)
Also, be sure that your submission and ask boxes are OPEN so that everything can run smoothly! If you have any questions, comments, concerns, or money you want to hit me up with, my ask box is always open or you can add me on skype @ madnicky7
Thanks so much guys and I hope y’all have a super swag time with this :)

Oh yes, I won’t miss it this year! Also reblogging instead of liking, because I only posted in pnfamily tag from this account and not my main one.

twixremix:

OH WOAH HEY GUYS! I’m here to launch “Project: Pnfamily Secret Santa!” For anyone who doesn’t know the rules of secret santa-ing: it’s a fun holiday tradition in which a group of people are randomly assigned a person to whom they anonymously give and receive a gift. If you would like to take part in this, like this post and I will message you a list of questions which you should answer privately with the completed questions. I will then send that to your assigned person. 

Adding your name into the secret santa roster will end next Friday (November 8) and in the days following, I will send you an ask with your assigned person. THIS IS A SECRET PROJECT! DON’T TELL A SOUL WHO YOUR ASSIGNED PERSON IS! (I’m talking about you, Andrew and Ago, don’t tell each other who you got okay)

Also, be sure that your submission and ask boxes are OPEN so that everything can run smoothly! If you have any questions, comments, concerns, or money you want to hit me up with, my ask box is always open or you can add me on skype @ madnicky7

Thanks so much guys and I hope y’all have a super swag time with this :)

Oh yes, I won’t miss it this year! Also reblogging instead of liking, because I only posted in pnfamily tag from this account and not my main one.

jims-fabulous-carnival:


"… and maybe later we could go to a movie," said Doof-senpai. Shota Perry-chan’s kokoro went doki-doki, but he took a breath, shook his head and said, "No, Doof-senpai. I have better things to do." Perry-chan turned on his heel and stomped away, leaving Doof-senpai to stare sadly after him.

THIS IS A JOKE DON’T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY PLEASE OMG
SHOTA STARRY-EYED PENNY LOAFER-WEARING PERRY-CHAN HAD TO BE DRAWN

jims-fabulous-carnival:

"… and maybe later we could go to a movie," said Doof-senpai. Shota Perry-chan’s kokoro went doki-doki, but he took a breath, shook his head and said, "No, Doof-senpai. I have better things to do." Perry-chan turned on his heel and stomped away, leaving Doof-senpai to stare sadly after him.

THIS IS A JOKE DON’T TAKE ME SERIOUSLY PLEASE OMG

SHOTA STARRY-EYED PENNY LOAFER-WEARING PERRY-CHAN HAD TO BE DRAWN